216: Financial Wellness and Wealth Building for Women of Color with Leah Davis

216: Financial Wellness and Wealth Building for Women of Color with Leah Davis

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Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: [00:00:00] Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Grad School Femme Touring Podcast. This is your host, Dr. Yvette, and today we are going to be covering the topic of financial wellness and wealth building for women of color. Our special guest is Leah Davis. She is the founder of Leah Davis Coaching. She is a dedicated wealth and wellness coach for Black, Indigenous, Latinx, and women of color.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: She's committed to supporting women with Mastering their mindset, behaviors, and habits with money to achieve their desired financial outcomes. Leah is also certified domestic violence advocate and brings a healing centered approach for women who have experienced gender based violence and childhood domestic violence.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Welcome to the podcast, Leah.

Leah Davis: So good to be here. Thank you for having me, Yvette. Yeah,

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: I'm so happy to have you. I'm so glad that you were willing to do this with me. So for folks who may be [00:01:00] new to you and your work, I would love to hear more about who you are, what you do and anything you're comfortable sharing about your backstory and how you've arrived at this time and place where you are

Leah Davis: today.

Leah Davis: I would love to answer that question and share my story because that is a key reason as to why I do the work that I do. So a little background on me is I was born and raised in San Jose. I have two older brothers and two parents. I'm half black and half Mexican. So I grew up really experiencing both cultures.

Leah Davis: And I grew up in a, you know, lower income family. My father worked in construction and his work was seasonal and my mom stayed at home with us kids. And so. Looking back now, I see that, you know, there's this thing called our money story. And mine came from that time period where we would have this influx of money when my dad was working and then we would go and he'd spend all this money.

Leah Davis: And then the next thing, you know, he's out of work and we were broken. We were on food stamps. And so it was just this up and down situation that I experienced. And also we unfortunately [00:02:00] I was there was domestic violence in our home. So I was exposed to that. Looking back now, we know that my father was undiagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Leah Davis: So he, You know, also was carrying a lot of trauma from his childhood. And unfortunately he took that out on his kids and, and my mother too, and very, very controlling. But for us, you know that we were abused as kids. And I'm, I speak very openly about that because this is something that is very common in our communities of color, especially lower income communities.

Leah Davis: It's facts statistics show this. And so it's important that I talk about this and I come from a place of I'm not, uh, Super impacted like I was right. And I can share about that a little bit later. And so became a young single mom as well. Kind of common when you grow up in a household with violence, lower income, and that's what ended up happening.

Leah Davis: So I had my first child. I was 18 years old. And it's interesting. A picture showed up on my Facebook. Recently, a friend sent it of me being in high school. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, I'm senior in high school. And I'm pregnant in this picture. And I'm going to graduate. And it's just like such a lifetime ago, but that's That's a reality.[00:03:00]

Leah Davis: And so, you know, eventually as a young single mom, I was trying to figure out how do I, I didn't know anything. I just knew how to go to work. And then I remember I got this like 401k thing at my first job and I had no idea what it was. I just was talking to someone. They said, just put X amount of money in it.

Leah Davis: And then the company gives you some money and I said, okay. And so I started doing that. And over time, more and more, as I was getting a little older, early twenties, I started thinking, how am I going to be able to, you know, get ahead? I was seeing people where I was working. I was exposed to working in the Silicon Valley at a semiconductor firm.

Leah Davis: And I was seeing people around me, like with these nice cars and, you know, these women and their offices. And I thought, what is this? I had no idea. I was not exposed to this as a kid. So I wanted to have what they had. I just didn't know how to get it. And no one was exposing to the needs of this at home.

Leah Davis: So over time, I eventually started reading books. Susie Orman had a book out. She's an author for those of you that don't know her. And I started reading and learning from her. And then I had a friend whose husband was a financial advisor. And I thought, Oh, I'm going to change [00:04:00] careers. And all I got to do is get licensed.

Leah Davis: So I got licensed from a financial advisor. I was about 30 years old by then. And I was also in my. Second, uh, relationship where there was a lot of, uh, domestic violence and abuse in that as well. And that's part of my story. But then I began my career as a financial advisor. And then when I was in this industry, it was like, huh, I'm the only person of color kind of sort of here and woman of color, this predominantly white male firm.

Leah Davis: And I was told to go out to my network and to build a business and bring in your family and friends as clients. Well, they don't have no money, you know, they didn't have the knowledge. So I was really frustrated. And I started realizing I wanted to work with women of color because I kept seeing us everywhere, all the network events, all the professional women.

Leah Davis: And I thought, who's talking to them? And I would not see as represented in marketing materials. So I, that's where I started. Wanting to work with women of color. I eventually was approached in 2018 by my dearest mentor, Sandra [00:05:00] Davis of Sage financial solutions. And she said, you would make a great financial coach.

Leah Davis: And, uh, I ended up getting coached, uh, first. And when I was going through that process, I learned about my behaviors and my fears and recognizing that I have this history with money and my relationship with money. And, you know, I began to unpack all of this as well as when I was the same time I was becoming a domestic violence advocate and learning about the harmful impacts of exposing children to violence and how that was affecting me as an adult.

Leah Davis: And I realized like, wait a minute, you know, I know I'm not the only. Women of color who grew up in a similar environment experienced this situations and emotions around money. And then I eventually just started my coaching business. Leah Davis coaching. I put the, my life experience, professional experience, uh, put it together.

Leah Davis: And here we are today. Wow.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: I just, first off, I want to thank you for being so open and honest about your backstory because not [00:06:00] everybody's willing to talk about it. Like even like myself coming from a background where there was domestic violence when I was a child and having experienced abuse too.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: We don't talk about it enough. I don't think. And and for you to tie that into the work that you do with, Supporting women of color and supporting women of color as they pursue, perhaps for the first time that wealth building. That's a big deal. I'm curious about how you arrived, though, at the concept of, of thinking about financial wellness.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: So you're kind of bridging two areas together, your advocacy work with also your financial coaching work. And there's this concept of financial wellness, like how did you become interested in it? Why is it especially important to you and important to the folks that you work with, which is primarily women of color?

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Yeah. If you can tell us a little bit more about that.

Leah Davis: Yes. Yes. So the wellness, the [00:07:00] wellness piece comes first and foremost when we are well. And when we're taking care of ourselves and when we have gone through this path of healing, the financial things come in and as they come in, we're more open to receiving these blessings and gifts and we have more capacity to give.

Leah Davis: So when we are not, like you said, talking about these things, being exposed to domestic, I mean. Most people will, when they hear about domestic violence, they think about the, the adult in the situation. They don't think about the kids and what life is like, because it is very accepted in our, and I'm going to say our culture and the, you know, and the Black and Latino culture where, you know, you, you hit your kids and, you know, people go overboard with that.

Leah Davis: And that in itself is a traumatizing experience. And we can laugh and joke and say, Oh, you get the chocolate slap and throw. My mom threw anything at me or my, my dad, you know, all those things. But when you think about the child who is experiencing that, [00:08:00] what that does is it creates fear. We. We'll then have a different perception on life.

Leah Davis: And what ends up happening is when we can't trust our adults in our life to make sure that we are not scared from them, right? When we, if we can't trust them, then we learn to not trust ourselves and we can't trust ourselves. We can't trust the decisions we're making because we can't trust others and we can't trust that there's something beautiful in this life that's greater than us, that it's taking care of us at all times.

Leah Davis: And I learned a lot of this from beyond the van zandt book. called trust. So if you haven't read it yet, pick it up. And so I made this connection again because I began healing and having conversations. First of all, with a therapist, I wanted to understand how my experience as a child was affecting me as an adult.

Leah Davis: I knew that it was because hello, I'm in this relationship that is harmful to me. So if I know that, you know, there's something's going on here. And so I started having those very difficult conversations. It was not easy. Then later on as I was learning [00:09:00] about domestic violence, and then also on the financial side, I began to realize that my fight, flight, and freeze responses were coming up in different ways, mostly a fight response though.

Leah Davis: And it was and it was a flight in some areas. Financially, it was flight. When I would get my, I had a ton of credit card debt. I had debt, and I was getting these statements in the mail. But I would keep them in the corner. I would act like it wasn't there as much as it was upsetting me. I would just be like, I don't see it.

Leah Davis: It's not happening. It's not there. It's not existent. That was a coping mechanism that I adapted to as a child when there was violence happening around me so that I could get through it. And I would act like it's not happening. I would go out into the world as a child and even as an adult, as a woman in a harmful relationship.

Leah Davis: It's not happening. Look at me. I mean, look at me today. I had this whole demeanor, but inside I was terrified inside. I had little to no self worth inside. My steam was low [00:10:00] inside. I was so scared. I couldn't, I just didn't see how other people were doing things and getting ahead in life because I just didn't, I didn't, I didn't have that awareness.

Leah Davis: So that's how it came to be about where I started making the connection. Like, okay, so if I'm having this. Response with my body physically with my finances. And even talking to my coach, I was talking to a coach about launching, starting my own business for women of color. I, you have no idea how many times I cried.

Leah Davis: I would just cry because I couldn't see it. I mean, I could see it, but I couldn't believe that I could have it because. I was always so, had this sense of impending doom. So growing up in a household where you didn't know what could occur, when the violence would happen, the rug can be pulled from under you.

Leah Davis: And also take away, it could be someone who is you know, there's a loss of income, you know, family loses their home. They got to move in with people. They're moving around. Things can fall apart, right? So [00:11:00] that sense of impending doom. And so how is that showing up? And how am I responding to that? A lot of fear, a lot of running away, a lot of hiding.

Leah Davis: And so now it's a matter of knowing when these responses are coming up and learning about that. And I wanted to teach it because once I began healing from that and seeing how I was being activated and how I was responding to money and how it was tied to, My physical responses when I was a kid, I was like, huh?

Leah Davis: Okay. So there's a connection there. Now I want to disclose. I'm totally not a therapist by any means. So with my coaching with clients, I'm not going in depth with my clients about what that experience was like. I don't know. We might talk about it lightly. I encourage them if they're not already in therapy to see a therapist, but it's about making the connection of how this is showing up these little, little, there's called little T traumas and big T traumas and how it's shown up in my life now.

Leah Davis: And other women's lives as well, when they're trying to reach their dreams.[00:12:00]

Leah Davis: You shared

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: so much right now. And, and the overwhelming question that comes up in my head as a follow up is like, hold up, hold up, how did you get to where you are today? Like you, you know, with noticing these behaviors, noticing how it stems back to your childhood, different types of trauma, and then arriving at Kind of realizing, okay, these two things are connected.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: So I need to work on my wellness first. And then, like you said, the financial part will, will come with that. What is that? Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit more about what financial wellness means to you? That way we can get a better grasp of like what that looks like.

Leah Davis: Yeah. Financial wellness means to.

Leah Davis: So recognizing that there's more than just the money at play here. It's a holistic approach. So being well emotionally, being well physically, [00:13:00] being well relationally, right? They all come into play with our finances. So, and most importantly, being well inside. And so that's being able to recognize like maybe I can't do it all at once.

Leah Davis: But where am I at today? And it's having an awareness and being open to that awareness. That is being well, it's when, when someone is being so rigid and blocked and not being open, right. Uh, to what their life could be like, or taking the steps and they're just kind of like, Oh, this is life, you know, I'm never going to get ahead.

Leah Davis: Other people can experience that, but not me, you know, and, and, and not having that growth mindset. Right. That has a lot to play with being financially well, but then there's also the very, the, that's all kind of like the internal, the foundational stuff, but then there's all the practical things of being financially well.

Leah Davis: So you know, the usual stuff, spending less than you earn. Okay, great. In order to spend less than you earn, if you are [00:14:00] there, that means that you're well, right? When we're spending more than we earn, why is that? You know, there's something happening there. And if we're not being open to exploring that, well, we're not well.

Leah Davis: Right. And so and it's, this isn't something where you're just like, Oh, I'm good to go. I'm, I'm completely a hundred percent. You know, this stuff continues to show up throughout your life. So, you know, there's the, like I said, there's an internal way of being financially well, and to have the, all those different components of wellness.

Leah Davis: And then there's also the. The tools and the systems and the, you know, having them in place savings, having credit, having insurance, working towards retirement, all those things, right? When we're okay inside, all those, all those other outside contributing factors that we need in this world, right? To get by and to pass on and to have to uplevel our life and our family's life.

Leah Davis: When we, you know, then that means those things will be protected even more. [00:15:00] Wow.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: And All of this makes a lot of sense. I'm curious, though, as you have been supporting you know, women of color and navigating and actually wealth building. So navigating financial challenges, but then also pursuing the wealth building.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: What are some common trends? What are some common obstacles? What are some observations you've made about the things that can get in the way of individuals, both, you know, starting out with Getting to a place of financial wellness, but then also eventually leading up to building wealth because, you know, those two things are connected, but I would assume that you would need to be at a state of wellness first before you can even arrive at the point of starting to build wealth for, for many of an individuals that would be for the first time.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: But yeah, I'm curious on your thoughts on some of the trends that you've

Leah Davis: noticed. Yeah. Yeah, I think, honestly, I think they both can be happening at the same time. Okay, so [00:16:00] I'll give an example. I have a client recently. I'm trying to think here really quick because this is the key to what we're saying.

Leah Davis: Oh, sorry. It was not a client. It was a conversation. It was a consult that I had with a woman a couple of weeks ago who she came, found me on Google and she wanted to speak with me because her words were, I want to be intentional with my money. And in our conversation, you know, came out that she was spending a lot and she had nothing in savings.

Leah Davis: And as a matter of fact, in the conversation, I knew she couldn't pay for me. And I knew she wasn't going to be someone that I'd be able to bring on as a client, because first of all, it would be really jacked up for me to be like, Oh yeah, sure. Here's my rate. I'll help you out when I see that her foundation is not stable.

Leah Davis: So. At the end of our conversation, you know, she kept saying, I really want to be intentional. I'm like, she was beating herself up. And in that I pointed out to her, I said, you're already being intentional because you're having this conversation. You're being intentional with your money now. And that was like a light bulb went off for her.

Leah Davis: So. [00:17:00] It's a matter of, and I'm giving that example because I think a lot of times for women a lot that I've talked to, it's not giving ourselves credit, just completely comparing and not giving ourselves a credit for what we're actually doing. And quite honestly, we're doing the best that we can in any given moment with the tools that we're given and what we have available.

Leah Davis: And what we're also open to, we can have everything around us, but we're not open to it. So having an acceptance of that, like, you know, I'm right here where I'm at today. And I'm being open to this and that is good enough right now and trusting that. So I see a lot of like, okay, well I want, I need to be there and I'm not there.

Leah Davis: So, you know, and I'm, I'm. Done the same thing many years, many years. And I still, so this time, you know, I'm like, Oh wow, she's got that going on her business. I'm not there yet. But now when I hear that, it's like, get it, [00:18:00] girl, I'll be there too. Don't you worry about it. You know? So it's different. So I see a common pattern with women is that comparison.

Leah Davis: And that comes down to that sense of worth of being deserving of knowing that I have. I have a place here and, and really, really owning that that takes time. Right. And so that's where I see kind of a common thing with women. And also tending to take care of others before themselves, especially financially.

Leah Davis: And then also if the woman is the first one in their family to. Graduate college to start a business or to work in tech or to do something different as a woman than the ones, you know, then all the women in their family and how lonely that can feel and how not even realizing it and then not reaching out to a network for that support.

Leah Davis: You know, or actively creating the community of other women. So I'm [00:19:00] constantly I mean, I just had a conversation with a friend last week, and we're just really starting to develop a friendship more. And she's sharing with me about her family. She's Samoan and her family does not understand that she's. Got all these businesses and she's got these dreams and she's working hard and they're just like, you're always doing too much You know, and so she said I feel like I can't talk to them and I asked her I said how many women in your family do what you're doing?

Leah Davis: She's like none. I said how many men she's like none I'm like girl. That's why we're having this conversation. Let's keep in touch Like I know I understand we gotta be we gotta You know, make sure we stick together and she's like, Oh my gosh, I never thought about it. Yeah. So those are my thoughts. Did I answer your question?

Leah Davis: I hope I

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: answered. Yeah. Yes, you did. I'm actually curious. I, I'm like, I kind of wanted you to keep going because in, in your answer, you shared actually a lot of different strategies or approaches to working on, on yourself and working on, you know, What, you know, both things, like you said, the wellness piece, the wealth building piece, [00:20:00] whether it's just starting out with giving yourself credit to, you know, uh, getting to a point where you, uh, feel like you are worthy to tending to yourself and your needs and your health, uh, and your financial health too, you know, instead of always prioritizing others first, are there any other strategies or.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Just things that you've noticed that help, especially women of color to keep going on this path of, you know, whether they're a trailblazer, first gen, first in their family but at the intersections of wellness and, uh, prioritizing their fi, their finances and their wealth building to hopefully live, you know, a sustainable life for themselves and for, you know, many Yeah.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Among many generations to come. .

Leah Davis: Yeah. Yeah. Great question. Something that I've observed is that we come into this, our entryway is different. I've had clients who share with me that their [00:21:00] journey to healing started with getting healthy with what they're eating. And then she started working out and then she started seeing a therapist and then it was, Oh, I want to work on my finances.

Leah Davis: Okay. Someone may start where I started. I didn't mention this. So I've been sober for seven years now, just had seven years. And I share that because that is a symptom of experiencing trauma. And so when someone experienced trauma, we do all kinds of different things. Mine was, I would drink too much alcohol.

Leah Davis: It wasn't a daily thing, but I definitely reached for it. Just to try to soothe myself because I couldn't handle the emotions I was feeling at that time. So my entryway into wellness was number one starting to see a mental health professional. And number two, I gave up alcohol. Number three, it was, I started working on my spirituality and being open to that.

Leah Davis: And then, then it was my finances and my business. Somebody might, they might come in somewhere else. They might come in with the, I got to figure out my finances. This is important to me. And then [00:22:00] as they're, and I've had clients like that where they're working on the finances and then they're like, I can't, you know, I'm really having a lot of stress and anxiety.

Leah Davis: And so then we start working on the spiritual components. They start, you know, being more open to starting the days more slower, maybe starting some meditation, some affirmations. So I think the one thing to just really remember for. Those who are listening is that you're starting somewhere on this, where you're meant to be in that moment.

Leah Davis: So it's a matter of not pushing towards something, not forcing yourself. Like I have to do it this way, but what am I noticing about what I need right now? Is it community? Am I feeling alone? Do I need to connect with others who've gone through something similar than I have right? Or do I One of, do I have a lack of energy knowing that, uh, gosh, you know, I'm eating like a pint of ice cream every night.

Leah Davis: So, [00:23:00] you know, how that's affecting my weight, my mood, my everything. So maybe working on eating better, connecting with the trainer. Don't, I suggest everybody knows. They got that thing. It's there. So it's noticing it and being really gentle with yourself against the pushing and forcing that creates resistance.

Leah Davis: So if we think of like pushing up against something, it's resistance. So let's stop pushing. You know, just kind of slow down. And that's where you start to being in the flow state, no matter what's going on or what it is. Yeah. I appreciate your

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: perspective, especially this approach of leaning into what feels best for you and your circumstances, even if that means slowing down.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Because I. I do follow quite a few financial experts and listen to podcasts on that topic. It's one of, it's just for fun. I can't help myself. And you don't [00:24:00] always hear that conversation. Sometimes there's this push of like, get rich quick, or the push of like, I'm going to reach financial independence and retire early or hustle, hustle, hustle for a short period of time so that then you can enjoy the rest of your life.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: And that doesn't work for everybody. And so I appreciate a lot that you, that you focus on the holistic approach and that you focus on kind of figuring out what is best for each individual instead of this like one size fits all or very like prescribed approach to wellness and to managing your finances.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: So thank you for that. I really, really appreciate it. And I especially appreciate it because my audience is primarily first gen. BIPOC students, a good portion of them are women of color, a good portion of them are low income, they're college students, they're graduate students, and many of them may not quite be where they want to be, both in their wellness and with their [00:25:00] financial, or with their finances too.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: And I'm curious actually, we're, we're gonna get close to kind of wrapping up, so I'm wondering If, if there's anything else you want to say to this audience, if there is any other you know, recommendations, advice, final thoughts, insights that you want to share to them, almost thinking about like your, even your previous self, your younger self.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Like, what would you tell her? The one that was, you know, still trying to figure it out. It's still, you know, in college thinking, I'm gonna go this one route, or I'm gonna go work in Silicon Valley, or I'm gonna go. Start my own business or, you know, I might go to grad school, whatever the options are. Yeah, what would you tell your younger self and other individuals who are still kind of trying to figure out the next steps in their, in their life?

Leah Davis: Thank you for that question. I think what I would tell myself is that you have no idea how beautiful life can be and that everything's gonna be okay. It might not feel like [00:26:00] it right now, but everything that is happening is leading you to To where you're meant to be and so being open to the fact that what's happening right now where I am in life career wise school wise education that doesn't have to be just stuck to that one thing and that this is the only thing that's going to bring me joy and happiness.

Leah Davis: I'm gonna do this forever. The rest of my life right to be open. Because we all have a journey and whatever is being learned in that moment is going to be feeding into and, you know, moving you towards the direction where you're meant to go. And so when something does fall apart and when things are not working out, I know it's so cliche, but it's a gift.

Leah Davis: It really is. And that you can do hard things. You can do hard things and even the experiences that we have that were so painful or, you know, in the past or currently that we have our own [00:27:00] way of getting through it, of coping through it and that, you know, you're, you're, you're able to get up and figure things out, not to worry about, you know, well, if I make this decision today, you know, what, what am I going to do in the future?

Leah Davis: No, you didn't know you'd be where you're at today. There were decisions that were made back whenever that got you where you're at today. You can only make the decisions when you're in the moment and know that you're making the best decision at that time. And then the future comes and you're going to have, you're going to be experiencing the thing you wanted and you're going to be like, Oh, so this is what it feels like.

Leah Davis: And there's going to be more decisions that are going to need to be made. So it's just trusting that, you know, you can make the decisions today and it's going to be all right. You're making the best decision for yourself in the moment. And and everything comes into play. And then all the when it comes to the You know, you mentioned listening to podcasts and hustle, hustle, hustle.

Leah Davis: Yeah, that's there. [00:28:00] And we can also do it in a way that feels really good. That brings us joy and peace. If we're not feeling joyful, any sort of peace or calm or groundedness, we're out of alignment. So. What's going on? Right. So being curious, just be curious when you're not waking up every day and you're just stressed out.

Leah Davis: And, you know, when, when that's the case, okay, just be curious about it and bringing in those elements of some sort of joy and peace wherever you can, no matter what it is. Yeah, I think

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: I was thinking about is also like acknowledging the season that you're in because sometimes folks are in different seasons in life.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: Sometimes we hit a rough patch and you know, it's, it's okay to, to make changes. I can you tell folks a little bit more about your services and for folks who want to learn more about you, about your work, want to connect. Yeah. Let us know about your services and how folks can reach

Leah Davis: you. Thank you. Yes.

Leah Davis: [00:29:00] People can reach me on Facebook. I mean, I have my business page under Leah Davis coaching. That's a great way to follow, find out what I'm up to. I also have an Instagram it's at Leah coaching connect with me there. I'm constantly posting, you know, about some podcasts I'm on, or I do a LinkedIn live, or I'm going to do some sort of a workshop.

Leah Davis: I do have one coming up on September 28th. It is, uh, yeah. Recognizing it's basically seven steps to recognizing your emotions with money. And so that'll, that's something it's free. If you want to participate, you can definitely go to my website at Leah coaching. com and then just sign up for my newsletter because the best way to be up to date on the things that I'm doing.

Leah Davis: I, and I let people know, I do a lot of work that is just out there. I have some downloads on my website as well. Tips that help women and people when they want to be able to manage their finances better, they're free, you can get them. And definitely just continue to follow me, you know, at some point I'll be having a podcast event.

Leah Davis: I'll be talking to you about

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: that. So excited for you. [00:30:00]

Leah Davis: So that'll definitely be another way.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: I'm going to be listening to your podcast.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: I'll probably hear from you. Leah, you're telling me to hustle. Stop it. No, no, no, no, no. I'll be like, I don't know if I'm in that season, Leah.

Leah Davis: Yes. Those are the great ways to stay in touch with me, you know, and I'm out and about. I'm not going anywhere. And I just look forward to the individuals that's connecting with me. Send me a note. I'll respond. I'd love to hear from you as well. Great. Well, thank you

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: so much for coming on the show today for sharing so much, you know, shedding light on your backstory and your experiences, your wealth of knowledge.

Dra. Yvette Martinez-Vu: And I'm sure that everybody who listens to this podcast is going to gain something from all the gems that

Leah Davis: you shared today. Beautiful. Thank you so much for having me.